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Sandy Johns's avatar

Love the logic, Andrew. Enjoyable read!

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Peter Gerdes's avatar

As to the claim that the CO decision isn't somehow unacceptably undemocratic or isn't deeply illegitimate, I agree that in principle there is nothing unacceptable about clear eligibility conditions. However, what does pose a serious threat to our democratic system is vague or ambiguous eligibility conditions which allow judges to choose the result they want based on ideological biases.

Had the CO supreme court articulated both a plausible set of elements that must be proved to constitute insurrection and the standard they need to be proved to I'd be much more sympathetic. Unfortunately the CO test seems to basically boil down to "isn't it obvious".

They basically adopt, with minimal analysis, the standard from the district court that "an insurrection as used in Section Three is (1) a public use of force or threat of force (2) by a group of people (3) to hinder or prevent execution of the Constitution of the United States” which the CO supreme court later interprets/modifies with the single extra demand that the action be intended to block the peaceful transfer of power.

But that's a pretty absurd rule. On its face that includes Trump asking the police or secret service to **legally** use force to protect him from protestors blocking his path to the capital where he intends to ask Pence to refuse to count the votes. More broadly, nothing in their standard requires any significant nexus between the force and the transfer of power. Suppose Trump asked his mob to mug people and give him the money so he could bribe Pence. That's an insurrection??

And WTF does block the peaceful transfer of power even mean? Trump wasn't trying to make the transfer of power violent, he was trying to prevent it from happening at all and he no doubt preferred that occur peacefully. Are they understanding this to mean that any protests (say as in Bush v Gore) claiming an outcome is illegitimate become an insurrection the moment one person is violent?

I suspect they really mean any attempt to illegitimately wrest control of the presidency. But again what does that mean? Technically speaking, Trump's theory that Pence could throw the election to the house is ridiculous but there are plenty of ridiculous constitutional theories that get taken seriously such as the trillion dollar coin or even accepted as precedent by the court. Besides, it's arguably not actually the constitution Trump was trying to violate but the electoral count act. So does violating any law to retain power count? What if 2024 does get thrown to the house and the train that a bunch of democratic reps are on gets delayed and Biden tells Harris to ignore the statutory deadline and wait until everyone shows up. Is that enough? What if delivering a note to that effect requires pushing past republican protestors by 2 staffers (so public concerted violence)?

I'm not saying any of these situations are at all similar but at a minimum the court should specify the elements of insurrection so as to clearly exclude all these obvious cases where the word doesn't apply. And this is on top of the lack of clarity about whether the president is an officer at all, when did Trump form what intentions on Jan 6th, is this part of the amendment self-executing.

The problem is that, taken together in the heat of a political campaign, all this ambiguity makes it seem like judges aren't applying some settled rule in this case but rather making up a rule that accords with their desiered outcome. I'd give the court the benefit of the doubt had it at least articulated a clear rule to apply in future situations rather than effectively saying: c'mon it's clearly an insurrection.

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